From finn at animal-liberation.org.nz Sat Oct 9 08:28:38 2004 From: finn at animal-liberation.org.nz (finn c.) Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 21:28:38 +1300 Subject: [Oceania-tech] Re: [Catgeek] Tasmedia technical requirements In-Reply-To: <54053.192.195.170.5.1097285086.squirrel@192.195.170.5> References: <20041009045446.B34572@a2.scoop.co.nz> <54053.192.195.170.5.1097285086.squirrel@192.195.170.5> Message-ID: <20041009082838.GB2581@animal-liberation.org.nz> Hi, On Fri, Oct 08, 2004 at 09:24:46PM -0400, garcondumonde wrote: > Please note: this list is archived and searchable via the web. > > > > 1/ A (rare) meeting was called a while back and there was a decision to > > update the site to use drupal. I'd like to set up a site for this, which > > will eventually replace the tasmedia section of the active site. Perhaps > > on tacwols for starters? Finn's keen to help develop the calendar part. I > > don't have sudo there though. > > there is already a drupal instal on tacwols which is at > http://tacwols.cat.org.au/drupal/drupal-4.4.2/ or via a link from > http://tacwols.cat.org.au/ if you forget that ;-) I've set up a drupal site running 4.5rc at /var/www/drupal/cal [http://tacwols.cat.org.au/drupal/cal]. I've also given andrew an account, and created a group called cal for the project. Oh and I've also altered httpd.conf so that it'll allow a .htaccess file in the /cal directory. Ah, should all tacwols discussion stay on oceania-tech [which no one is using currently]? seeya, finn -- pgp encrypted mail welcome - keyid: CD564868 keyserver: keys.indymedia.org E9E6 E3A3 4891 48D8 A95E 3F78 90D7 CA42 CD56 4868 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature Url : http://lists.indymedia.org.au/pipermail/oceania-tech/attachments/20041009/f9877ed5/attachment.pgp From gdm at fifthhorseman.net Sat Oct 9 09:25:46 2004 From: gdm at fifthhorseman.net (garcondumonde) Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 05:25:46 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Oceania-tech] Re: [Catgeek] Tasmedia technical requirements In-Reply-To: <20041009082838.GB2581@animal-liberation.org.nz> References: <20041009045446.B34572@a2.scoop.co.nz> <54053.192.195.170.5.1097285086.squirrel@192.195.170.5> <20041009082838.GB2581@animal-liberation.org.nz> Message-ID: <65164.192.195.170.5.1097313946.squirrel@192.195.170.5> > Ah, should all tacwols discussion stay on oceania-tech [which no one is > using currently]? sounds like a reasonable idea - especially as we have been primarily discussing indy stuff ;-) however, that said, it IS a cat server, and there ARE cat projects on it - check http://docs.cat.org.au and please contribute!! love adn solidarity, --gdm From gdm at fifthhorseman.net Sat Oct 16 07:46:59 2004 From: gdm at fifthhorseman.net (GarconDuMonde) Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 17:46:59 +1000 Subject: [Oceania-tech] [Fwd: [IMC-Tech] distributed IMC] Message-ID: <4170D1F3.9060109@fifthhorseman.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi I'm Paul, I'm a bit techy, I write Java for a living and I'd like to help with IMC if there is anything I can do. I have a plan. Bearing in mind that there is probably work to do ensuring that IMC is more decentralise technically. I would like to see if there is a way to design an open API in XML over Http for IMC's (and other systems that manage content and are on the vibe). IMC now is based on various CMS's , an open API would enable different instances on different platforms to recieve updates from other sites, to use them as just backups or display them using their own mechanisms. Mirroring is cool and if I can help in this I am at your disposal, but it is server based and requires identical setups at each node. An open API would enable different IMCs to select content more specifically for their needs, it would also open the way for inter-indy syndication. An API to send/recieve data between servers is a good start, but on top of this, we could write tools ensure that when users download content to view they keep their cached copies so they can be reaccessed. If a server is missing content it could reobtain it from users and other servers. If the FBI took all the servers in the world the content would still be accessible. I dont think it would be difficult to arrange, technically at least, version 1.0 for newswire content, media and comments. Later we could think about distributing central columns, thats potentially more tricky since the different instances maintain and handle that data differently and there would be more work to create a consolidated API. Totally not impossible, but I think starting simple is a good idea. Also non-newswire content would require colaboration on the APi between CMS developers, andinsuing internal politics, and I'm of the opinion that getting something simple up quick is better than taking ages over a full solution and living without in the meantime. Phased delivery, (yeah OK, I studied bits of software dev theory ;o) but does make sense. what do yous all rekon, I'm quite competent with Java but PHP would be more of a effort for me. Java client side would be easy too but has issues, better to do that sort of thing as browser plugins. Is anyone working on anything similar? or interested in this idea? P Aqui, mas o menos lo mismo en castellano para l at s que prefieren. ________________________________________________________________ Soy un poco techy escribo Java y molaria ayudar con IMC, o IMC ?global si hay algo que puedo hacer. ? Tengo un idea. Seguramente hay trabajo que hacer ahora con asegurar que IMC no existe en solo un sitio. ?Molaria ver si hay una manera de dise?ar una API en XML para IMCs, ? algo separado del codigo que esta usado (se que hay algunas plataformas diferentes MIR dada sf active etc.). ?Entonces instances diferentes pueden recibir updates de otra sitios ?usar los o solo mantener los como copias de seguridad. tambien un API para recojer datos entre servidores, y mejor que eso, unas heramientas para asegurar que cuando gente normal bajan datos para ver los los, automaticamente pueden guadar los datos. Si un servidor hace falta unos datos puede consegir los de usarios tambien. ?Entonces si quitan cada servidor del mundo ya existira. no creo que sera muy dificil de arreglar. al menos version 1.0 para newswire datos, y comentarios. ?Despues quizas algo mas complicado para los ?"central columns". ? Central columns son differentes en cada IMC y definar un formato sera mas dificil. que pareces? un saludo P2 - -- __________________________________ ------------teknopaul------------- ---(o--- getkonnected.org - ---o)--- --httpfileserver.sourceforge.net-- ?????????????????????????????????? _______________________________________________ imc-tech mailing list imc-tech at lists.indymedia.org http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/listinfo/imc-tech -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFBcNHxPmhFiuP6og8RAlNaAKCnI0/AkcRI4IVqC9Q4Yp5pujAZhQCgjNvx 7S1kIgrk7QpGXNXD2okj+PQ= =47c4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From shayne at perthimc.asn.au Sun Oct 17 03:45:19 2004 From: shayne at perthimc.asn.au (Shayne ONeill) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 11:45:19 +0800 (WST) Subject: [Oceania-tech] [Fwd: [IMC-Tech] distributed IMC] In-Reply-To: <4170D1F3.9060109@fifthhorseman.net> References: <4170D1F3.9060109@fifthhorseman.net> Message-ID: In all honesty I reckon NNTP is the go as an underlying transport and storage. Its as distributed as hell, it isnt super anonymous but that doesnt matter when theres a web front end... ie its as anonymous as the web code makes it, has good organisation for stories and wires, and the technology is well known and well supported. And unlike freenet stuff, it actually works.... (Personally I think freenets utterly useless. the lag and delays render it almost unuseable in my experience. certainly far too laggy for realistic use in a production news environment). -- Shayne O'Neill.. tr?dkr?mare http://perth.indymedia.org "I trust God speaks through me. Without that, I couldnt do my job." --George W Bush. http://atheism.about.com/b/a/099745.htm On Sat, 16 Oct 2004, GarconDuMonde wrote: > > _______________________________________________ > Oceania-tech mailing list > Oceania-tech at lists.cat.org.au > http://lists.cat.org.au/cgi-bin/m/listinfo/oceania-tech > ------------ Output from pgp ------------ > sh: pgpv: command not found > > From sonia at snowfrog.net Sun Oct 17 07:31:54 2004 From: sonia at snowfrog.net (Sonia Hamilton) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 17:31:54 +1000 Subject: [Oceania-tech] distributed IMC In-Reply-To: References: <4170D1F3.9060109@fifthhorseman.net> Message-ID: <20041017073154.GA7657@snowfrog.net> * On Sun, Oct 17, 2004 at 11:45:19AM +0800, Shayne ONeill wrote: > In all honesty I reckon NNTP is the go as an underlying transport and > storage. > > Its as distributed as hell, it isnt super anonymous but that doesnt > matter when theres a web front end... ie its as anonymous as the web code > makes it, has good organisation for stories and wires, and the technology > is well known and well supported. > > And unlike freenet stuff, it actually works.... (Personally I think > freenets utterly useless. the lag and delays render it almost unuseable in > my experience. certainly far too laggy for realistic use in a production > news environment). Please explain? :) I understand you're talking about the network news protocol - has anything new been built on top of it to make it suitable for setting up a distributed web site? -- Sonia Hamilton From shayne at perthimc.asn.au Sun Oct 17 08:17:19 2004 From: shayne at perthimc.asn.au (Shayne ONeill) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 16:17:19 +0800 (WST) Subject: [Oceania-tech] distributed IMC In-Reply-To: <20041017073154.GA7657@snowfrog.net> References: <4170D1F3.9060109@fifthhorseman.net> <20041017073154.GA7657@snowfrog.net> Message-ID: Well, my vibe on it is basically its not the site itself that needs to be distributed. personally the codes dispensible , its the data thats rendered by it thats the bit that needs to be distributed. And in that respect nntp is a perfect transport medium, in that its an old tech thats well understood. So if you imagine something like this <-+-----nntp feeds---+--------------+----------> | | | +--------+ +-----------+ +------------+ |perth | |sydney | |melbourne | |indy | |indy | |indy | |website | |website | |website | +--------+ +-----------+ +------------+ say a cop grabs the perth box, then really its no big deal, cos the feeds are distributed across all the sites on the nntp circut, which I envision as a usenet type network. so basically, perth then just sets another box up, slurps the feed back, sets the code / skin / setup from a tarball thats been conviniently and cunningly hidden on a backup cd somewhere in indymedia danger-mountain secret lair and its almost as if nothing ever happened. I think its a case of separating code/presentation and content, and whereas most codebases store stuff in a mysql or similar base, all that really happens here is we store it in a nntp repositry and use the natural replication facilities of the medium to distribute the data far and wide. And as long as the website is not stupid and keeping ridiculous logs everywhere, then anonymity is as safe as ever. anyway... heres a work in progress... http://perth.indymedia.org/?action=nntp its a hell of a long way of finished. -- Shayne O'Neill.. tr?dkr?mare http://perth.indymedia.org "I trust God speaks through me. Without that, I couldnt do my job." --George W Bush. http://atheism.about.com/b/a/099745.htm On Sun, 17 Oct 2004, Sonia Hamilton wrote: > * On Sun, Oct 17, 2004 at 11:45:19AM +0800, Shayne ONeill wrote: > > In all honesty I reckon NNTP is the go as an underlying transport and > > storage. > > > > Its as distributed as hell, it isnt super anonymous but that doesnt > > matter when theres a web front end... ie its as anonymous as the web code > > makes it, has good organisation for stories and wires, and the technology > > is well known and well supported. > > > > And unlike freenet stuff, it actually works.... (Personally I think > > freenets utterly useless. the lag and delays render it almost unuseable in > > my experience. certainly far too laggy for realistic use in a production > > news environment). > > Please explain? :) > > I understand you're talking about the network news protocol - has > anything new been built on top of it to make it suitable for setting up > a distributed web site? > > -- > Sonia Hamilton > _______________________________________________ > Oceania-tech mailing list > Oceania-tech at lists.cat.org.au > http://lists.cat.org.au/cgi-bin/m/listinfo/oceania-tech > From finn at animal-liberation.org.nz Sun Oct 17 11:51:20 2004 From: finn at animal-liberation.org.nz (finn c.) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 00:51:20 +1300 Subject: [Oceania-tech] new calendar project Message-ID: <20041017115120.GE2586@animal-liberation.org.nz> Hi all, A few of us are beginning a new calendar project, based on Drupal 4.5. I've set up the beginnings of a wiki page here: http://docs.indymedia.org/view/Devel/ActiveCal The code will be used to upgrade tasmedia.org, and to provide a nationwide calendar for Aotearoa. The code will be generic enough to be adopted by other Active sites if they want. Any help is welcome :) seeya, finn -- pgp encrypted mail welcome - keyid: CD564868 keyserver: keys.indymedia.org E9E6 E3A3 4891 48D8 A95E 3F78 90D7 CA42 CD56 4868 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature Url : http://lists.indymedia.org.au/pipermail/oceania-tech/attachments/20041018/1da47440/attachment.pgp From finn at animal-liberation.org.nz Mon Oct 18 07:53:30 2004 From: finn at animal-liberation.org.nz (finn c.) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 20:53:30 +1300 Subject: [Oceania-tech] Re: jakarta imc access In-Reply-To: <20041005024610.M52374@octapod.org> References: <20041004150337.GG4838@animal-liberation.org.nz> <20041005024610.M52374@octapod.org> Message-ID: <20041018075330.GA3979@animal-liberation.org.nz> Hi, On Tue, Oct 05, 2004 at 12:47:58PM +1000, kev wrote: > No problem whatsoever > > just remind me in a week or so, we are in the middle of the This Is Not Art > festival, and octo is under exreme load as it is (I am also flat out and worn > out from it too) Just a friendly reminder .. :) We have shifted dns to point to colourful, and have set up a callout page there. We still need the old active postgres database and files - could you tar them up and place them somewhere downloadable? seeya, finn -- pgp encrypted mail welcome - keyid: CD564868 keyserver: keys.indymedia.org E9E6 E3A3 4891 48D8 A95E 3F78 90D7 CA42 CD56 4868 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature Url : http://lists.indymedia.org.au/pipermail/oceania-tech/attachments/20041018/092c70de/attachment.pgp From hugh at cat.org.au Mon Oct 18 06:28:01 2004 From: hugh at cat.org.au (hugh at cat.org.au) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 16:28:01 +1000 (EST) Subject: [Oceania-tech] Re: [Webkids] new calendar project In-Reply-To: <20041017115120.GE2586@animal-liberation.org.nz> References: <20041017115120.GE2586@animal-liberation.org.nz> Message-ID: <1098080881.4173627192e19@conway.cat.org.au> good onya finn. I hope it can easily incorporate the automated weekly mail out feature. The Active Sydney calendar has an associated list of 1,300 subscribers. cheers, hugh > A few of us are beginning a new calendar project, based on Drupal 4.5. > > I've set up the beginnings of a wiki page here: > http://docs.indymedia.org/view/Devel/ActiveCal > > The code will be used to upgrade tasmedia.org, and to provide a > nationwide calendar for Aotearoa. The code will be generic enough to > be > adopted by other Active sites if they want. > > Any help is welcome :) > > seeya, > finn > > -- > pgp encrypted mail welcome - > keyid: CD564868 keyserver: keys.indymedia.org > E9E6 E3A3 4891 48D8 A95E 3F78 90D7 CA42 CD56 4868 > From finn at animal-liberation.org.nz Fri Oct 29 07:15:05 2004 From: finn at animal-liberation.org.nz (finn c.) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 20:15:05 +1300 Subject: [Oceania-tech] dada patched/removed Message-ID: <20041029071505.GC3642@animal-liberation.org.nz> Hi, I've patched jakarta's dev site for the recent XSS vulns. I've also removed the aotearoa test site [it wasn't really being used, it would be handy to retain aimcdev.cat.org.au if thats ok], and moved the apache directives for bandung [which also wasn't being used]. I haven't touched Sydney - not sure if anyone had been mucking with the code. You'll find replacement files in /home/finn/dadaIMC_patched_files/ seeya, finn -- pgp encrypted mail welcome - keyid: CD564868 keyserver: keys.indymedia.org E9E6 E3A3 4891 48D8 A95E 3F78 90D7 CA42 CD56 4868 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature Url : http://lists.indymedia.org.au/pipermail/oceania-tech/attachments/20041029/d2878ac2/attachment.pgp