[Imc-sydney] German IndyMedia

[Stacy S]

Hi Diet & all,

I agree that the responses from Germany Indy were rude and somewhat out of 
line with what I think of as indymedia.  But as Cam said, disaffiliation is 
difficult and ugly.  As a first step, you might compose a letter of protest, 
explaining the evolution of the downfall, and send it to imc-communication.  
You may get a discussion going about how GIMC acts and whether they have 
gone too far.  If there is enough support, then you might find an imc closer 
to Germany that would be interested in proposing disaffiliation.

Personally, I would just concentrate my efforts elsewhere.  If they don't 
value your work, then they don't deserve it.  You can become obsessed with 
your anger and it can absorb all the time you would have spent writing 
articles.  If you put that energy into writing top quality articles, you can 
then post them to other indies and boycott Germany.  Perhaps they would then 
see the error of their policies.

Just my 2c.

salud,
stacy




>From: "diet simon" <diet_simon at bigpond.com>
>Reply-To: Discussion list for organising Sydney 
>IMC<imc-sydney at indymedia.org.au>
>To: "Discussion list for organising Sydney IMC" 
><imc-sydney at indymedia.org.au>
>Subject: Re: [Imc-sydney] German IndyMedia
>Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 16:04:34 +1000
>
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>Cam and folks,
>
>Firstly, I'm glad there's a process for disaffiliation available in 
>principle.
>
>I can empathise with your reluctance, though, and take the point about it 
>getting ugly.
>
>That said, the German mods have got progressively worse over the years. 
>Take my word for it, I lived in the country until a year and a half ago, so 
>you have someone in our group, me, who knows the other side of the planet. 
>Germany is such an important and populous country we shouldn't leave the 
>field to these self-opiniated schoolmasterly censors to run a poor site. 
>They cut us off from thousands of people who might be solid with us on many 
>actions, for example as global petitioners.
>
>How do you and others feel about me building a case file on their behaviour 
>from here on in for submission to you all with view to getting your 
>endorsement for a disaffiliation request?
>
>If your or the imc-process list knock it back, we drop it and don't waste 
>any more energy and aggro on it.
>
>Mind you, that would leave one more wonky IndyMedia in operation in 
>addition to more and more I see getting peculiar all over. There has to be 
>a huge temptation attached to treat it as one's property.
>
>I can't see that leaving Europe to deal with it will get anywhere. 
>Neighbours don't like to pick at neighbours.
>
>I suggest this is an exception.
>
>Regards,
>
>Diet.
>
>
>
>
>>Any indymedia can be disaffiliated from the network through a proposal to 
>>the global network by a local collective. So you would have to propose 
>>this to sydney imc, we would have to endorse it as a collective. Then the 
>>proposal would be sent to the imc-process list. If no other local 
>>collective in the world blocks the proposal, it passes, and the DNS techs 
>>can be directed to remove the domain.
>>
>>In relation to Germany IMC, I imagine it would be blocked fairly quickly 
>>by other European IMCs. I personally would not support such a move. Being 
>>on the other side of the planet to Germany, i think we have no place 
>>telling them what to do. I think its up to other European IMC's to deal 
>>with things in their area. I say this from experience. When we tried to 
>>disaffiliate Darwin IMC, a couple of IMC's from the other side of the 
>>planet blocked us. They had little knowledge of the real situation here.
>>
>>Disaffiliation gets ugly, divides the network, and generally burns a lot 
>>of people out. I strongly believe that any action of this sort should be 
>>taken on the regional level. That is, Oceania looks after itself, Europe 
>>looks after itself, North America looks after itself, and so on. Of course 
>>there may be exceptions.
>>
>>
>>Cam
>
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