[imc-darwin] [Imc-oceania] PROPOSAL: United IMC
Andrew McNaughton
andrew at scoop.co.nz
Sun Jun 17 13:20:18 UTC 2007
Unless policy has changed, could I ask that the list-admin not allow
further emails from Mick through to the IMC-Oceania list.
Could I also ask that list members refrain from any sort of response.
Andrew McNaughton
mick lambe PARIAH wrote:
> Hi
>
>
> The darwin collective is opposed to these unethical people taking
> further control of Oz indymedia
>
> The reasons are clearly stated and evidentially substantiated
>
> ______________________________
>
> The only proposal to disaffiliate darwin indymedia failed -
>
> "Any collective wishing to call itself Darwin Indymedia would
> therefore require, as part of it's constitution, to exclude this
> individual (mick lambe) and would automatically forfeit it's place as
> an IMC if he were ever to become a member."
>
> [1] - proposal by Andrew Lowenthal (the now defunct melbourne imc)
>
> A number of collectives dissented - Paris, Amsterdam, UK, (even
> 'arafura' - the 'collective' created to discredit our work) - and Cyprus
>
> on the grounds that the proposal abused a number of our Human Rights
>
> - as the hate posts melbourne indymedia still host about our members do
>
> -------------------------
>
> The latest proposal is also ethically and logically untenable
>
> "We believe indymedia is based on regional autonomony and grassroots
> support and should be a supportive portal for regional activism -
> especially for marginalised groups - such as our drug-user advocate
> and Aboriginal collective members"
>
> We hear no argument opposing that view
>
> One we implemented successfully at One Mile Dam Aboriginal Community
> (OMD) - http://onemiledam.tripod.com
>
> with help and support from Aboriginal and Human Rights orgs all over Oz
>
> We made OMD a public issue - in the national papers, Aboriginal radio
> (including NSW) and national TV
>
> We were however, unable to promote indymedia...
>
>
> ...as sydney, NZ and melbourne indymedia were running hate/race
> campaigns posing as news articles, eg "Mick Lambe is a c_nt (edited)"
> and trying to discredit our work at OMD at the same time
>
> The only network on the www doing so
>
> -------------------------------
>
> Our block should have been posted on the Oceania wire - your
> disaffiliation proposal failed remember?
>
> Just another reason to stop this farcical proposal
>
>
>
>
>
>
> mick
>
> DIMC
> --------
>
>
>
> */mick lambe PARIAH <pariahnt at yahoo.com>/* wrote:
>
> Hi
>
> Darwin indymedia opposes this proposal based on politically
> exclusive centralisation
>
> - made by people who continue to abuse our basic human rights
>
> dave of AXXS and melbourne still refuse to remove posts using our
> names (DIMC) in headers - despite this being the purported reason
> our second (AXXS) site was pulled down - this is being dealt with
>
>
>
> The latest regime of IP blockers and biased editorialising is
> demonstrative of the censorious politicisation of OUR activist
> resource
>
> This move to place indymedia in the hands of non-activists with a
> history of attacking activists - is vehemently rejected
>
> We believe indymedia is based on regional autonomony and
> grassroots support and should be a supportive portal for regional
> activism - especially for marginalised groups - such as our
> drug-user advocate and Aboriginal collective members
>
> Placing indymedia further under the control of a demonstrably
> unethical and grassroots-exclusive group, opposed to these clearly
> defined indymedia objectives - is simply illogical
>
> None of the serious allegations we have voiced about our
> collective's treatment have been addressed - Oz indymedia is run
> by the same Authoritarian clique making this proposal
>
> This is an example of the how these too few people control Oz
> indymedia
>
> Cam - "Stacy has stated on this list: (Resolve)
>
> "If Therese, or anyone other than Mick, was willing to be the
> spokesperson for Darwin Indymedia, for the purposes of an application to
> imc-process for a new imc, I would consider not blocking the application."
>
> Consider that an opportunity Mick. Stacy can be won over. It may not be
> the way you like doing things, but if you really really really want
> the
> domain back, maybe you would consider this option.
>
> There are many others that would block a new-imc application if you are
> involved. One of the most vocal, as you are aware, is and_ from
> melbourne IMC. From my conversations with him, he will be allot harder
> to win over than Stacy is. I would recommend you approach and_ and tell
> him you want to put things in the past and start again.
> Be nice about
> it, be humble.
>
> Mick - We do not recognise any "powers-that-be" -
>
> (Cam's name for some illegitimate hierarchy that is trampling our rights)
>
> Cam - Ok, it seems they don't recognise you either.
>
> http://lists.indymedia.org/pipermail/resolve/2006-March/0318-fr.html
> -----------------------------
>
> These people who have destroyed Darwin and Brisbane indymedias and
> gutted Adelaide should be facing charges about their misuse of
> indymedia
>
>
> We believe that when Stacy (and Cam) met in Darwin with the people
> we expelled - it was decided to continue the campaign of lies,
> hate propaganda and violence used to intimidate and stress our
> people - and force a 'political' conclusion favorable to these
> thugs and their supporters in Sydney and Melbourne
>
> Our members had already been threatened and assaulted at their
> homes and subjected to months of hate/race posts and 'articles' on
> sydney indymedia prior to this meeting between Scheff and the
> expelled people - It is an obvious conclusion bolstered by this
> clique's continued inability to refute these serious allegations
>
> Sydney hosted outright lies and personal attacks as 'news items'
> (appended with images of a battered Aboriginal female friend) for
> months prior to this secret meet
>
> NZ went even further, using images of a dead (suicided) Aboriginal
> mate to provoke and distress our people
>
> ------------------------------
>
> You people disgust me - how dare you represent yourselves as
> community-based orgs based on a respect for Human Rights?
>
> Taking donations and raising money...
>
>
> - while the ignorant thugs you support shouted homophobic
> obscenities in public at innocent people in Darwin
>
> ...is taking money under false pretenses
>
> ___________
>
>
>
> It is lucky for me that the people we expelled have as little
> influence in prison as on the outside - as one recent dirty trick
> was a postcard to inmates at Berrimah Prison - setting me up for a
> bashing or scalding
>
> You are seriously low individuals who you have supported this hate
> campaign for years and continue to support it with your ugly
> defamation, hypocritical censorship and abuse of indymedia process
> - - as petros points out - Bush, Blair and Howard have copped less
> hate than myself and my associates on Oz indymedia
>
> I take all these continuing attempts to harm me - the abuses of my
> reputation, livelihood, right to personal space, political beliefs
> and affiliations
>
> and the threats against my friends and associates - very personally
>
> and will act appropriately to publicise this agenda of politicised
> media control which relies on tactics normally associated with
> neo-Nazi groups
>
>
> Namely, race/hate propaganda and intimidation at our homes and in
> the streets of Darwin
>
> The UN concurs
>
>
> //Article 10.//
>
> Everyone is entitled in full equality to a fair and public hearing
> by an independent and impartial tribunal, in the determination of
> his rights and obligations and of any (criminal) charge against him
>
>
> /Article 12./
>
> No one shall be subjected to arbitrary interference with his
> privacy, family, home or correspondence, nor to attacks upon
> his honour and reputation. Everyone has the right to the
> protection of the law against such interference or attacks
>
>
>
> _______________________________________
>
> Please post this block up on Oceania - that is another right our
> indymedia-affiliated collective supposedly have
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> - mick
>
> darwin indymedia collective
>
>
> ---------------------------------
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> */Andrew McNaughton <andrew at scoop.co.nz>/* wrote:
>
> Please note: this list is archived and searchable via the web.
> I agree that IMC-Aotearoa is working well, and subsuming it
> into an
> IMC-Oceania would be a bad idea.
>
> I'm inclined to the IMC-Australia model which I've thought for
> some idea
> would probably work better than the city based approach. I'd
> favour
> this over replacing the Australian IMCs with putting that news
> into an
> Oceania regional site, though I'm certainly interested in further
> discussion on that.
>
> The issues that have arisen in Brisbane and Darwin and their
> impact on
> the Oceania network would need to be learned from. How would
> we make a
> wide area Indy network robust in the face of such disputes?
>
> If we do go to an IMC-Australia, or a publishing based (as
> opposed to
> aggregation based) IMC-Oceania, then I wonder about having local
> collectives focussed on news coverage of their area, going
> into a wider
> regional site.
>
> Andrew
>
>
>
>
>
>
> smush capitalism wrote:
> > Please note: this list is archived and searchable via the web.
> > hey all,
> > here are some comments from other people (omar, ken, cameron,
> > torrance) of the imc aotearoa editorial collective.
> > solidarity
> > smush
> >
> > Omar wrote:
> >> Hey not sure if i understand the emails in the oceania
> >> archive properly but it seems to me that people are
> >> suggesting we amalgamate the a-imc newswire into a broader
> >> regional one.
> >>
> >> If this is the case then i would be stridently against
> >> it!!!!!
> >>
> >> While there are major similarities between the issues
> >> facing aotearoa and australia and the pacific, i dont
> >> think that subsuming aotearoa into a regional mix will
> >> help further "our goal to further the self-determination
> >> of people unheard and under-represented in media
> >> production and content."
> >>
> >> If anything it may have a negative effect. I'd prefer that
> >> our features are streamed onto a oceania site in some
> >> way-like they are at the moment. but we would definitley
> >> be overwhelmed by australia that would have a negative
> >> effect! but i agree, lets keep the talk going!
> >>
> >> omar
> >> p.s. hopefully get video interview with tongan folk today
> >> at uni, right now have an exam to go to!!
> >
> >> On 14/06/2007, at 9:15 AM, ksimpson at ihug.co.nz wrote:
> >>
> >> I'm against it too. Ken
> >
> > Cameron wrote
> >> Me too. I agree entirely with Omar.
> >> Cameron
> >
> > On 6/13/07, Torrance wrote:
> >> I agree. We don't have the same issues as OZ - we have spam
> under
> >> control,
> >> vibrant features/newswire, and a small but active group. I
> don't
> >> think we
> >> need an Oceania site, and as other OZ people suggested, a
> straight Oz
> >> indy
> >> would be the most practical thing to implement right now.
> >>
> >> Torrance
> >
> > Omar wrote:
> >> Sad to hear about the demise of Melbourne Indymedia but t
> was propably
> >> pretty urealistic to have five imcs in australia when the
> uk only has
> >> one. I hope to see a newer and better Australia imc in the
> future.
> >> Spam is low, (praise the lord) but i have caught a couple
> especially
> >> in the other press.
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