[imc-melbourne-work] Future of Melbourne Indymedia
Anna Helme
anna at engagemedia.org
Wed May 30 08:30:04 UTC 2007
hey,
not sure if my opinion really counts here, but i'd go for it.
it would be really good to take the time to write a note as to why on
the front page, however, with a contact email address.
after that i guess a meeting should happen to see where people are at,
and then perhaps the kind of teach-in outreach event liz suggested, if
there are enough people around who want to make that happen.
my 2c,
anna
harry tuttle wrote:
> Not getting any response on this.....
>
> I really think we need to make the decision to disable
> publishing temporarily with an explanation on the
> site. Otherwise, I am happy to have a meeting to work
> out what to do, but I wasnt getting a lot of response
> around that either...
>
> Harry
>
>
>
> --- harry tuttle <harrytuttle123 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>> Hi all,
>> I agree with And. It would have been ideal to get a
>> meeting together to decide on something like this.
>> However, I dont think it is going to happy any time
>> soon. As such I think we need to make a decision on
>> line to disable publishing at present given that
>> there
>> has not been a feature in a month and that the site
>> is
>> not be properly watched or admined.
>>
>> It seems there is certainly ideas and enthusiasm for
>> MIM to continue, but I think a first step is that we
>> need to disable publishing, and stop and take stock
>> of
>> where we are at.
>>
>> Harry
>>
>>
>>
>> --- and <and at axxs.org> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Hey,
>>>
>>> On 17/05/2007, at 12:51 PM, harry tuttle wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> Its good to read all the ideas floating around.
>>>>
>>> Sorry,
>>>
>>>> but due to other life stuff I havent organised a
>>>> meeting. What about Saturday or Sunday the
>>>>
>>> 26th/27th
>>>
>>>> maybe later in the afternoon. I guess we really
>>>>
>>> need
>>>
>>>> to come up with some kind of short term plan
>>>>
>>> while we
>>>
>>>> work out the bigger picture/future of MIM.
>>>>
>>> Why not switch off publishing temporarily? That
>>>
>> way
>>
>>> there is space to
>>> really stop and think about the project without
>>> having to spend time
>>> managing trolls and dealing with other daily
>>>
>> tasks.
>>
>>> It would also
>>> communicate to the community the extent of the
>>> crisis, especially if
>>> it's explained on the front page, and be a
>>>
>> mechanism
>>
>>> for gathering
>>> new people to get involved. If people think it
>>>
>> will
>>
>>> just keep
>>> plodding along they won't be shaken out of their
>>> apathy, a rupture
>>> needs to be created to break the current cycle and
>>> begin new ways of
>>> thinking about the project, both for the
>>>
>> collective
>>
>>> and the site users.
>>>
>>> And.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Harry
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --- musicman <datakid at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hola,
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm largely staying out of this debate because
>>>>>
>>> I'm
>>>
>>>>> incredibly busy as
>>>>> it is, but I would flag this interesting
>>>>>
>> article
>>
>>> by
>>>
>>>>> Cory Doctorow of
>>>>> boingboing fame:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
> http://www.informationweek.com/shared/printableArticle.jhtml?
>
>>>> articleID=199600005
>>>>
>>>>> "How To Keep Hostile Jerks From Taking Over
>>>>>
>> Your
>>
>>>>> Online Community
>>>>>
>>>>> Angry people looking for fights will inevitably
>>>>>
>>> try
>>>
>>>>> to poison
>>>>> successful Internet communities. Columnist Cory
>>>>> Doctorow looks at ways
>>>>> to remove the poison without killing the
>>>>>
>>> discussion
>>>
>>>>> too. "
>>>>>
>>>>> I like some of the ideas in here - especially
>>>>>
>> if
>>
>>> we
>>>
>>>>> could implement
>>>>> disemvowelling:
>>>>>
>>>>> "Troll whisperers aren't necessarily very good
>>>>>
>> at
>>
>>>>> hacking tools, so
>>>>> there's always an opportunity for geek synergy
>>>>>
>> in
>>
>>>>> helping them to
>>>>> automate their hand-crafted techniques, giving
>>>>>
>>> them
>>>
>>>>> a software
>>>>> force-multiplier for their good sense. For
>>>>>
>>> example,
>>>
>>>>> Teresa invented a
>>>>> technique called disemvowelling -- removing the
>>>>> vowels from some or
>>>>> all of a fiery message-board post. The
>>>>>
>> advantage
>>
>>> of
>>>
>>>>> this is that it
>>>>> leaves the words intact, but requires that you
>>>>>
>>> read
>>>
>>>>> them very slowly
>>>>> -- so slowly that it takes the sting out of
>>>>>
>> them.
>>
>>>>> And, as Teresa
>>>>> recently explained to me, disemvowelling part
>>>>>
>> of
>>
>>> a
>>>
>>>>> post lets the rest
>>>>> of the community know what kind of sentiment is
>>>>>
>>> and
>>>
>>>>> is not socially
>>>>> acceptable."
>>>>>
>>>>> L.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 5/17/07, Anna Helme <anna at engagemedia.org>
>>>>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> the other thing i would suggest is that if the
>>>>>>
>>>>> collective wants new
>>>>>
>>>>>> software to do this:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ==Software==
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In terms of software, the Melbourne site
>>>>>>
>> really
>>
>>>>> needs that upgrade.
>>>>>
>>>>>> * We need Userids for identification of
>>>>>>
>> quality
>>
>>>>> users.
>>>>>
>>>>>> * We need an Option for users when they post
>>>>>>
>> an
>>
>>>>> article to decide
>>>>>
>>>>>> whether they want a) no comments B) approved
>>>>>>
>>>>> comments c) all comments
>>>>>
>>>>>> * At least one newswire that is only for
>>>>>>
>>> articles
>>>
>>>>> posted by "trusted
>>>>>
>>>>>> users" and that members of the editorial
>>>>>>
>>>>> collective can move articles
>>>>>
>>>>>> to. Without this, we can not met the
>>>>>>
>>> requirements
>>>
>>>>> of Google News and
>>>>>
>>>>>> we become just another opinionated blog.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (as takver has outlined) then MIM should use
>>>>>>
>> the
>>
>>>>> money in the bank
>>>>>
>>>>>> - am i right in thinking it's about $1000? if
>>>>>>
>>> not
>>>
>>>>> i'm sure it wouldn't
>>>>>
>>>>>> be too hard to get it up to that amount - to
>>>>>>
>>> *pay*
>>>
>>>>> a developer to
>>>>>
>>>>>> do this. MIM seems to do OK when it comes to
>>>>>>
>>>>> donations.
>>>>>
>>>>>> you should be able to solve the major problem
>>>>>>
>>> MIM
>>>
>>>>> is facing - the
>>>>>
>>>>>> software - if you pay a developer now, and
>>>>>>
>> know
>>
>>>>> that you will have to
>>>>>
>>>>>> use donations to pay for regular maintenance.
>>>>>>
>>> much
>>>
>>>>> more sustainable
>>>>>
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