[imc-melbourne-work] Future of Melbourne Indymedia
takver
tirin at takver.com
Tue Jun 5 04:28:31 UTC 2007
Kameron from Sydney Indymedia has suggested the option of pooling our
efforts at oceania.indymedia.org.
Add newswires, local, Australian, regional, international. Collectively
edit and moderate the site. It is certainly an option to consider.
I am back putting some editorial time in...:)
Takver
> hey,
>
> not sure if my opinion really counts here, but i'd go for it.
>
> it would be really good to take the time to write a note as to why on
> the front page, however, with a contact email address.
>
> after that i guess a meeting should happen to see where people are
at,
> and then perhaps the kind of teach-in outreach event liz suggested,
if
> there are enough people around who want to make that happen.
>
> my 2c,
> anna
>
>
> harry tuttle wrote:
> > Not getting any response on this.....
> >
> > I really think we need to make the decision to disable
> > publishing temporarily with an explanation on the
> > site. Otherwise, I am happy to have a meeting to work
> > out what to do, but I wasnt getting a lot of response
> > around that either...
> >
> > Harry
> >
> >
> >
> > --- harry tuttle <harrytuttle123 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >> Hi all,
> >> I agree with And. It would have been ideal to get a
> >> meeting together to decide on something like this.
> >> However, I dont think it is going to happy any time
> >> soon. As such I think we need to make a decision on
> >> line to disable publishing at present given that
> >> there
> >> has not been a feature in a month and that the site
> >> is
> >> not be properly watched or admined.
> >>
> >> It seems there is certainly ideas and enthusiasm for
> >> MIM to continue, but I think a first step is that we
> >> need to disable publishing, and stop and take stock
> >> of
> >> where we are at.
> >>
> >> Harry
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --- and <and at axxs.org> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>> Hey,
> >>>
> >>> On 17/05/2007, at 12:51 PM, harry tuttle wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Hi all,
> >>>> Its good to read all the ideas floating around.
> >>>>
> >>> Sorry,
> >>>
> >>>> but due to other life stuff I havent organised a
> >>>> meeting. What about Saturday or Sunday the
> >>>>
> >>> 26th/27th
> >>>
> >>>> maybe later in the afternoon. I guess we really
> >>>>
> >>> need
> >>>
> >>>> to come up with some kind of short term plan
> >>>>
> >>> while we
> >>>
> >>>> work out the bigger picture/future of MIM.
> >>>>
> >>> Why not switch off publishing temporarily? That
> >>>
> >> way
> >>
> >>> there is space to
> >>> really stop and think about the project without
> >>> having to spend time
> >>> managing trolls and dealing with other daily
> >>>
> >> tasks.
> >>
> >>> It would also
> >>> communicate to the community the extent of the
> >>> crisis, especially if
> >>> it's explained on the front page, and be a
> >>>
> >> mechanism
> >>
> >>> for gathering
> >>> new people to get involved. If people think it
> >>>
> >> will
> >>
> >>> just keep
> >>> plodding along they won't be shaken out of their
> >>> apathy, a rupture
> >>> needs to be created to break the current cycle and
> >>> begin new ways of
> >>> thinking about the project, both for the
> >>>
> >> collective
> >>
> >>> and the site users.
> >>>
> >>> And.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Harry
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> --- musicman <datakid at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Hola,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I'm largely staying out of this debate because
> >>>>>
> >>> I'm
> >>>
> >>>>> incredibly busy as
> >>>>> it is, but I would flag this interesting
> >>>>>
> >> article
> >>
> >>> by
> >>>
> >>>>> Cory Doctorow of
> >>>>> boingboing fame:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> > http://www.informationweek.com/shared/printableArticle.jhtml?
> >
> >>>> articleID=199600005
> >>>>
> >>>>> "How To Keep Hostile Jerks From Taking Over
> >>>>>
> >> Your
> >>
> >>>>> Online Community
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Angry people looking for fights will inevitably
> >>>>>
> >>> try
> >>>
> >>>>> to poison
> >>>>> successful Internet communities. Columnist Cory
> >>>>> Doctorow looks at ways
> >>>>> to remove the poison without killing the
> >>>>>
> >>> discussion
> >>>
> >>>>> too. "
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I like some of the ideas in here - especially
> >>>>>
> >> if
> >>
> >>> we
> >>>
> >>>>> could implement
> >>>>> disemvowelling:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "Troll whisperers aren't necessarily very good
> >>>>>
> >> at
> >>
> >>>>> hacking tools, so
> >>>>> there's always an opportunity for geek synergy
> >>>>>
> >> in
> >>
> >>>>> helping them to
> >>>>> automate their hand-crafted techniques, giving
> >>>>>
> >>> them
> >>>
> >>>>> a software
> >>>>> force-multiplier for their good sense. For
> >>>>>
> >>> example,
> >>>
> >>>>> Teresa invented a
> >>>>> technique called disemvowelling -- removing the
> >>>>> vowels from some or
> >>>>> all of a fiery message-board post. The
> >>>>>
> >> advantage
> >>
> >>> of
> >>>
> >>>>> this is that it
> >>>>> leaves the words intact, but requires that you
> >>>>>
> >>> read
> >>>
> >>>>> them very slowly
> >>>>> -- so slowly that it takes the sting out of
> >>>>>
> >> them.
> >>
> >>>>> And, as Teresa
> >>>>> recently explained to me, disemvowelling part
> >>>>>
> >> of
> >>
> >>> a
> >>>
> >>>>> post lets the rest
> >>>>> of the community know what kind of sentiment is
> >>>>>
> >>> and
> >>>
> >>>>> is not socially
> >>>>> acceptable."
> >>>>>
> >>>>> L.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 5/17/07, Anna Helme <anna at engagemedia.org>
> >>>>>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>>> the other thing i would suggest is that if the
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> collective wants new
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> software to do this:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> ==Software==
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> In terms of software, the Melbourne site
> >>>>>>
> >> really
> >>
> >>>>> needs that upgrade.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> * We need Userids for identification of
> >>>>>>
> >> quality
> >>
> >>>>> users.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> * We need an Option for users when they post
> >>>>>>
> >> an
> >>
> >>>>> article to decide
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> whether they want a) no comments B) approved
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> comments c) all comments
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> * At least one newswire that is only for
> >>>>>>
> >>> articles
> >>>
> >>>>> posted by "trusted
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> users" and that members of the editorial
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> collective can move articles
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> to. Without this, we can not met the
> >>>>>>
> >>> requirements
> >>>
> >>>>> of Google News and
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> we become just another opinionated blog.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> (as takver has outlined) then MIM should use
> >>>>>>
> >> the
> >>
> >>>>> money in the bank
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> - am i right in thinking it's about $1000? if
> >>>>>>
> >>> not
> >>>
> >>>>> i'm sure it wouldn't
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> be too hard to get it up to that amount - to
> >>>>>>
> >>> *pay*
> >>>
> >>>>> a developer to
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> do this. MIM seems to do OK when it comes to
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> donations.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> you should be able to solve the major problem
> >>>>>>
> >>> MIM
> >>>
> >>>>> is facing - the
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> software - if you pay a developer now, and
> >>>>>>
> >> know
> >>
> >>>>> that you will have to
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> use donations to pay for regular maintenance.
> >>>>>>
> >>> much
> >>>
> >>>>> more sustainable
> >>>>>
> > === message truncated ===
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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