From askvictor at gmail.com  Fri Aug  4 08:08:40 2006
From: askvictor at gmail.com (victor rajewski)
Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 18:08:40 +1000
Subject: [Imc-melbourne-geeks] drupal status
Message-ID: <8f8b28f10608040108q4e3b616br48a74ad2aa38de95@mail.gmail.com>

what is the current go with moving to drupal?

what needs doing still?


From and at axxs.org  Sun Aug  6 02:03:54 2006
From: and at axxs.org (and)
Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2006 12:03:54 +1000
Subject: [Imc-melbourne-geeks] drupal status
In-Reply-To: <8f8b28f10608040108q4e3b616br48a74ad2aa38de95@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8f8b28f10608040108q4e3b616br48a74ad2aa38de95@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E89F588B-0379-40E0-942D-321EC0E84548@axxs.org>

Hey,
I haven't had a scan of the dev site for a bit

I think the key things were
updating to 4.7
having the newswire appear on the front page
customising the fields in the publish page - there were issues with  
only be able to upload 1 image at a time etc. and us need partiular  
fields that aren't already present. also need to work out how to deal  
with audio/video etc. upload, if they also just get uploaded as  
single attachments.
fixing the creative commons license product (latest version might  
work now)
workflow - we wanted to implement a workflow system based on  
permissions for the newswire. I couldn't get the workflow module  
working but you might want to have a look at it.
adding in rss feeds like so <http://transmission.cc> - this is pretty  
easy
design

it's probably asking too much but it would be great if it was  
possible to commit this to a svn repository so we don't lose it every  
time and if a customisation specifically for indy's emerges it's easy  
to share what we have done.

don't have that much time but am happy to help with direction vik if  
you want to get stuck into it. it really needs doing and it could  
probably be done in a week of geeking (minus the design)

cheers,
and.


On 04/08/2006, at 6:08 PM, victor rajewski wrote:

> what is the current go with moving to drupal?
>
> what needs doing still?
> _______________________________________________
> Imc-melbourne-geeks mailing list
> Imc-melbourne-geeks at lists.cat.org.au
> http://lists.cat.org.au/mailman/listinfo/imc-melbourne-geeks


From askvictor at gmail.com  Sun Aug  6 05:43:44 2006
From: askvictor at gmail.com (victor rajewski)
Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2006 15:43:44 +1000
Subject: [Imc-melbourne-geeks] drupal status
In-Reply-To: <E89F588B-0379-40E0-942D-321EC0E84548@axxs.org>
References: <8f8b28f10608040108q4e3b616br48a74ad2aa38de95@mail.gmail.com>
	<E89F588B-0379-40E0-942D-321EC0E84548@axxs.org>
Message-ID: <8f8b28f10608052243g221fc9d8r315e3858bb59f047@mail.gmail.com>

I'll prolly have some time this week, but I'll need a clearer outline
of what to do, so a chinwag with interested parties may be in order.

Multiple attachments are enabled by default - you upload one file,
then another, and so on

On 8/6/06, and <and at axxs.org> wrote:
> Hey,
> I haven't had a scan of the dev site for a bit
>
> I think the key things were
> updating to 4.7
> having the newswire appear on the front page
> customising the fields in the publish page - there were issues with
> only be able to upload 1 image at a time etc. and us need partiular
> fields that aren't already present. also need to work out how to deal
> with audio/video etc. upload, if they also just get uploaded as
> single attachments.
> fixing the creative commons license product (latest version might
> work now)
> workflow - we wanted to implement a workflow system based on
> permissions for the newswire. I couldn't get the workflow module
> working but you might want to have a look at it.
> adding in rss feeds like so <http://transmission.cc> - this is pretty
> easy
> design
>
> it's probably asking too much but it would be great if it was
> possible to commit this to a svn repository so we don't lose it every
> time and if a customisation specifically for indy's emerges it's easy
> to share what we have done.
>
> don't have that much time but am happy to help with direction vik if
> you want to get stuck into it. it really needs doing and it could
> probably be done in a week of geeking (minus the design)
>
> cheers,
> and.
>
>
> On 04/08/2006, at 6:08 PM, victor rajewski wrote:
>
> > what is the current go with moving to drupal?
> >
> > what needs doing still?
> > _______________________________________________
> > Imc-melbourne-geeks mailing list
> > Imc-melbourne-geeks at lists.cat.org.au
> > http://lists.cat.org.au/mailman/listinfo/imc-melbourne-geeks
> _______________________________________________
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> Imc-melbourne-geeks at lists.cat.org.au
> http://lists.cat.org.au/mailman/listinfo/imc-melbourne-geeks
>


From and at axxs.org  Sun Aug  6 11:13:58 2006
From: and at axxs.org (and)
Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2006 21:13:58 +1000
Subject: [Imc-melbourne-geeks] drupal status
In-Reply-To: <8f8b28f10608052243g221fc9d8r315e3858bb59f047@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8f8b28f10608040108q4e3b616br48a74ad2aa38de95@mail.gmail.com>
	<E89F588B-0379-40E0-942D-321EC0E84548@axxs.org>
	<8f8b28f10608052243g221fc9d8r315e3858bb59f047@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <65C5D452-9B72-4341-9F17-475245596B7E@axxs.org>


On 06/08/2006, at 3:43 PM, victor rajewski wrote:

> I'll prolly have some time this week, but I'll need a clearer outline
> of what to do, so a chinwag with interested parties may be in order.

i'll give you a buzz or see you in irc tomorrow.
>
> Multiple attachments are enabled by default - you upload one file,
> then another, and so on

yeah, it's really annoying if you have 10 photos that's the problem.  
I don't know if the gallery module might solve that though this also  
seperates it from the article. So there are little issues like this  
to deal with. Might be worth setting up a tracker.

There was some wiki notes here
<http://docs.indymedia.org/view/Local/ImcMelbourneRedev>

But the wiki is read only at the moment and no idea when it's coming  
back.

Cheers.
and.


>
> On 8/6/06, and <and at axxs.org> wrote:
>> Hey,
>> I haven't had a scan of the dev site for a bit
>>
>> I think the key things were
>> updating to 4.7
>> having the newswire appear on the front page
>> customising the fields in the publish page - there were issues with
>> only be able to upload 1 image at a time etc. and us need partiular
>> fields that aren't already present. also need to work out how to deal
>> with audio/video etc. upload, if they also just get uploaded as
>> single attachments.
>> fixing the creative commons license product (latest version might
>> work now)
>> workflow - we wanted to implement a workflow system based on
>> permissions for the newswire. I couldn't get the workflow module
>> working but you might want to have a look at it.
>> adding in rss feeds like so <http://transmission.cc> - this is pretty
>> easy
>> design
>>
>> it's probably asking too much but it would be great if it was
>> possible to commit this to a svn repository so we don't lose it every
>> time and if a customisation specifically for indy's emerges it's easy
>> to share what we have done.
>>
>> don't have that much time but am happy to help with direction vik if
>> you want to get stuck into it. it really needs doing and it could
>> probably be done in a week of geeking (minus the design)
>>
>> cheers,
>> and.
>>
>>
>> On 04/08/2006, at 6:08 PM, victor rajewski wrote:
>>
>> > what is the current go with moving to drupal?
>> >
>> > what needs doing still?
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Imc-melbourne-geeks mailing list
>> > Imc-melbourne-geeks at lists.cat.org.au
>> > http://lists.cat.org.au/mailman/listinfo/imc-melbourne-geeks
>> _______________________________________________
>> Imc-melbourne-geeks mailing list
>> Imc-melbourne-geeks at lists.cat.org.au
>> http://lists.cat.org.au/mailman/listinfo/imc-melbourne-geeks
>>
> _______________________________________________
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From askvictor at gmail.com  Sun Aug  6 11:36:34 2006
From: askvictor at gmail.com (victor rajewski)
Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2006 21:36:34 +1000
Subject: [Imc-melbourne-geeks] drupal status
In-Reply-To: <65C5D452-9B72-4341-9F17-475245596B7E@axxs.org>
References: <8f8b28f10608040108q4e3b616br48a74ad2aa38de95@mail.gmail.com>
	<E89F588B-0379-40E0-942D-321EC0E84548@axxs.org>
	<8f8b28f10608052243g221fc9d8r315e3858bb59f047@mail.gmail.com>
	<65C5D452-9B72-4341-9F17-475245596B7E@axxs.org>
Message-ID: <8f8b28f10608060436o55ee508dg31c246e479021bf7@mail.gmail.com>

On 8/6/06, and <and at axxs.org> wrote:
>
> On 06/08/2006, at 3:43 PM, victor rajewski wrote:
>
> > I'll prolly have some time this week, but I'll need a clearer outline
> > of what to do, so a chinwag with interested parties may be in order.
>
> i'll give you a buzz or see you in irc tomorrow.
> >
> > Multiple attachments are enabled by default - you upload one file,
> > then another, and so on
>
> yeah, it's really annoying if you have 10 photos that's the problem.
> I don't know if the gallery module might solve that though this also
> seperates it from the article. So there are little issues like this
> to deal with. Might be worth setting up a tracker.

Hmmm... so more like the gmail one... Yes, I can see that...

chat tommoz


From changeling_au_2004 at yahoo.com.au  Mon Aug  7 10:45:03 2006
From: changeling_au_2004 at yahoo.com.au (Nigel W)
Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 20:45:03 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [Imc-melbourne-geeks] drupal status
In-Reply-To: <8f8b28f10608060436o55ee508dg31c246e479021bf7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20060807104503.62086.qmail@web56613.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Thanks Victor - if we can get *something* up, that'd be excellent. Recently, I put the following "proposal" on the worklist - the MIM collective really needs to have a meeting (more likely, several of them) to discuss exactly what we want the new site to do. One thing I think is important is to implement a login system.....


  Hi All,
          I think we should get a copy - I've been thinking (and will include this idea in my currently delayed proposal document) we really should try and liase more with other media groups. To this end, I propose we give serious thought as to the best way to encourage more people to join the MIM collective. I think that in order for us to do all the things we want to do to improve MIM, we need to:

1) Properly discuss exactly *what* we want to do to improve MIM, and document it.
2) Work out what needs to be done and skills required to implement whatever we decide.
3) Then we can seriously begin to actively promote joining the MIMC, as we'll be in a position to say, "We want to do this, this and this do you think you can help?" as well as hopefully get *their* ideas etc.

I write all this in the hope that it will get the ball rolling - I think we should take our time with this and get some really good ideas nutted out before we spend too much energy on the "real work" of implementing them.

...............................................................................................................

Feedback appreciated.

                                                                    All the best,
                                                                                    Nigel


victor rajewski <askvictor at gmail.com> wrote: On 8/6/06, and  wrote:
>
> On 06/08/2006, at 3:43 PM, victor rajewski wrote:
>
> > I'll prolly have some time this week, but I'll need a clearer outline
> > of what to do, so a chinwag with interested parties may be in order.
>
> i'll give you a buzz or see you in irc tomorrow.
> >
> > Multiple attachments are enabled by default - you upload one file,
> > then another, and so on
>
> yeah, it's really annoying if you have 10 photos that's the problem.
> I don't know if the gallery module might solve that though this also
> seperates it from the article. So there are little issues like this
> to deal with. Might be worth setting up a tracker.

Hmmm... so more like the gmail one... Yes, I can see that...

chat tommoz
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From and at axxs.org  Tue Aug  8 07:02:27 2006
From: and at axxs.org (and)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 17:02:27 +1000
Subject: [Imc-melbourne-geeks] drupal status
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Vik and I had a quick chat about where things are at with this and  
thought the best thing was to really strip back the plan as it was  
previously envisioned and keep it simple so it gets done.

So the to dos (unfortunately the wiki is broken so we're just gunna  
have to do it here unless we find another space)

1st priority modules
customised a single upload form (also check the custom module micheal  
from tasmedia made here on the drupaldev docs page)
	- multiple multimedia attachments
	- cc licensing
event
feedback
printer friendly pages
excerpt
wysiwig
captchas
workflow - customisation to allow trusted users to post to a top wire  
and anonymous or non-trusted to post to a separate wire

Config
newswire - make it appear on the front page (there may be a custom  
indy newswire module, check the drupal page on docs)
features - is there a customised way other indys are doing this or is  
just a matter of promoting to front page?)
rss feeds added into centre column alla belgium - i have the bit of  
code for this.
re-write slurp script to pull old features into 4.7 (or another way  
to make sure thay are up to date)
upgrade code to 4.7

Did I miss anything vik?
And.

On 06/08/2006, at 9:36 PM, victor rajewski wrote:

> On 8/6/06, and <and at axxs.org> wrote:
>>
>> On 06/08/2006, at 3:43 PM, victor rajewski wrote:
>>
>> > I'll prolly have some time this week, but I'll need a clearer  
>> outline
>> > of what to do, so a chinwag with interested parties may be in  
>> order.
>>
>> i'll give you a buzz or see you in irc tomorrow.
>> >
>> > Multiple attachments are enabled by default - you upload one file,
>> > then another, and so on
>>
>> yeah, it's really annoying if you have 10 photos that's the problem.
>> I don't know if the gallery module might solve that though this also
>> seperates it from the article. So there are little issues like this
>> to deal with. Might be worth setting up a tracker.
>
> Hmmm... so more like the gmail one... Yes, I can see that...
>
> chat tommoz
> _______________________________________________
> Imc-melbourne-geeks mailing list
> Imc-melbourne-geeks at lists.cat.org.au
> http://lists.cat.org.au/mailman/listinfo/imc-melbourne-geeks

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From harrytuttle123 at yahoo.com  Tue Aug  8 13:14:46 2006
From: harrytuttle123 at yahoo.com (harry tuttle)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 06:14:46 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Imc-melbourne-geeks] drupal status
In-Reply-To: <A38A2300-6143-4CD9-B372-7A7C164C2DD0@axxs.org>
Message-ID: <20060808131446.34292.qmail@web60512.mail.yahoo.com>

very exciting.......

It would be great if there was a way of blocking spam
from the calendar instead of deleting 20 ads per day,
including very nasty porn etc. 

anyway beggars cant be choosers

Harry

--- and <and at axxs.org> wrote:

> Vik and I had a quick chat about where things are at
> with this and  
> thought the best thing was to really strip back the
> plan as it was  
> previously envisioned and keep it simple so it gets
> done.
> 
> So the to dos (unfortunately the wiki is broken so
> we're just gunna  
> have to do it here unless we find another space)
> 
> 1st priority modules
> customised a single upload form (also check the
> custom module micheal  
> from tasmedia made here on the drupaldev docs page)
> 	- multiple multimedia attachments
> 	- cc licensing
> event
> feedback
> printer friendly pages
> excerpt
> wysiwig
> captchas
> workflow - customisation to allow trusted users to
> post to a top wire  
> and anonymous or non-trusted to post to a separate
> wire
> 
> Config
> newswire - make it appear on the front page (there
> may be a custom  
> indy newswire module, check the drupal page on docs)
> features - is there a customised way other indys are
> doing this or is  
> just a matter of promoting to front page?)
> rss feeds added into centre column alla belgium - i
> have the bit of  
> code for this.
> re-write slurp script to pull old features into 4.7
> (or another way  
> to make sure thay are up to date)
> upgrade code to 4.7
> 
> Did I miss anything vik?
> And.
> 
> On 06/08/2006, at 9:36 PM, victor rajewski wrote:
> 
> > On 8/6/06, and <and at axxs.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> On 06/08/2006, at 3:43 PM, victor rajewski wrote:
> >>
> >> > I'll prolly have some time this week, but I'll
> need a clearer  
> >> outline
> >> > of what to do, so a chinwag with interested
> parties may be in  
> >> order.
> >>
> >> i'll give you a buzz or see you in irc tomorrow.
> >> >
> >> > Multiple attachments are enabled by default -
> you upload one file,
> >> > then another, and so on
> >>
> >> yeah, it's really annoying if you have 10 photos
> that's the problem.
> >> I don't know if the gallery module might solve
> that though this also
> >> seperates it from the article. So there are
> little issues like this
> >> to deal with. Might be worth setting up a
> tracker.
> >
> > Hmmm... so more like the gmail one... Yes, I can
> see that...
> >
> > chat tommoz
> > _______________________________________________
> > Imc-melbourne-geeks mailing list
> > Imc-melbourne-geeks at lists.cat.org.au
> >
>
http://lists.cat.org.au/mailman/listinfo/imc-melbourne-geeks
> 
> > _______________________________________________
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> Imc-melbourne-geeks at lists.cat.org.au
>
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From and at axxs.org  Wed Aug  9 03:46:37 2006
From: and at axxs.org (and)
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 13:46:37 +1000
Subject: [Imc-melbourne-geeks] drupal status
In-Reply-To: <20060808131446.34292.qmail@web60512.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20060808131446.34292.qmail@web60512.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BEE2BB3B-0D6A-430D-BEF3-8CDAC5BCACF6@axxs.org>


On 08/08/2006, at 11:14 PM, harry tuttle wrote:

> very exciting.......
>
> It would be great if there was a way of blocking spam
> from the calendar instead of deleting 20 ads per day,
> including very nasty porn etc.

captchas is a system by which people have to add random numbers/ 
letters into a box to prove they are not a bot, you've probably seen  
it on some sites. that was one of the modules we were going to add,  
hopefully it is applicable to the newswire and the calendar.
cheers.
and.


>
> anyway beggars cant be choosers
>
> Harry
>
> --- and <and at axxs.org> wrote:
>
>> Vik and I had a quick chat about where things are at
>> with this and
>> thought the best thing was to really strip back the
>> plan as it was
>> previously envisioned and keep it simple so it gets
>> done.
>>
>> So the to dos (unfortunately the wiki is broken so
>> we're just gunna
>> have to do it here unless we find another space)
>>
>> 1st priority modules
>> customised a single upload form (also check the
>> custom module micheal
>> from tasmedia made here on the drupaldev docs page)
>> 	- multiple multimedia attachments
>> 	- cc licensing
>> event
>> feedback
>> printer friendly pages
>> excerpt
>> wysiwig
>> captchas
>> workflow - customisation to allow trusted users to
>> post to a top wire
>> and anonymous or non-trusted to post to a separate
>> wire
>>
>> Config
>> newswire - make it appear on the front page (there
>> may be a custom
>> indy newswire module, check the drupal page on docs)
>> features - is there a customised way other indys are
>> doing this or is
>> just a matter of promoting to front page?)
>> rss feeds added into centre column alla belgium - i
>> have the bit of
>> code for this.
>> re-write slurp script to pull old features into 4.7
>> (or another way
>> to make sure thay are up to date)
>> upgrade code to 4.7
>>
>> Did I miss anything vik?
>> And.
>>
>> On 06/08/2006, at 9:36 PM, victor rajewski wrote:
>>
>>> On 8/6/06, and <and at axxs.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 06/08/2006, at 3:43 PM, victor rajewski wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I'll prolly have some time this week, but I'll
>> need a clearer
>>>> outline
>>>>> of what to do, so a chinwag with interested
>> parties may be in
>>>> order.
>>>>
>>>> i'll give you a buzz or see you in irc tomorrow.
>>>>>
>>>>> Multiple attachments are enabled by default -
>> you upload one file,
>>>>> then another, and so on
>>>>
>>>> yeah, it's really annoying if you have 10 photos
>> that's the problem.
>>>> I don't know if the gallery module might solve
>> that though this also
>>>> seperates it from the article. So there are
>> little issues like this
>>>> to deal with. Might be worth setting up a
>> tracker.
>>>
>>> Hmmm... so more like the gmail one... Yes, I can
>> see that...
>>>
>>> chat tommoz
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Imc-melbourne-geeks mailing list
>>> Imc-melbourne-geeks at lists.cat.org.au
>>>
>>
> http://lists.cat.org.au/mailman/listinfo/imc-melbourne-geeks
>>
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From askvictor at gmail.com  Wed Aug  9 07:33:51 2006
From: askvictor at gmail.com (victor rajewski)
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 17:33:51 +1000
Subject: [Imc-melbourne-geeks] drupal status
In-Reply-To: <BEE2BB3B-0D6A-430D-BEF3-8CDAC5BCACF6@axxs.org>
References: <20060808131446.34292.qmail@web60512.mail.yahoo.com>
	<BEE2BB3B-0D6A-430D-BEF3-8CDAC5BCACF6@axxs.org>
Message-ID: <8f8b28f10608090033n735d7752v1e0b33fae09ad4f9@mail.gmail.com>

I'm currently trying to work out the best way to deal with the
different types of posts we have to deal with. All will have the node
type story. We need to work out something regarding trusted users and
that - how does a post differ when it is posted anonymously, and when
it has been hidden.

Features = promoted to front page
Newswire = not promoted to front page
Newswire anon = ???
Newswire hidden = ???

How have other imcs (e.g. sydney) done this?

I'm contemplating using workflows, but if there are other ideas, i'd
be interested.

ciao

vik


From and at axxs.org  Wed Aug  9 09:29:01 2006
From: and at axxs.org (and)
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 19:29:01 +1000
Subject: [Imc-melbourne-geeks] drupal status
In-Reply-To: <8f8b28f10608090033n735d7752v1e0b33fae09ad4f9@mail.gmail.com>
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On 09/08/2006, at 5:33 PM, victor rajewski wrote:

> I'm currently trying to work out the best way to deal with the
> different types of posts we have to deal with. All will have the node
> type story. We need to work out something regarding trusted users and
> that - how does a post differ when it is posted anonymously, and when
> it has been hidden.
>
> Features = promoted to front page
> Newswire = not promoted to front page
> Newswire anon = ???
> Newswire hidden = ???
>
> How have other imcs (e.g. sydney) done this?

I don't think any other IMCs have implimented permissions systems  
like this but it would be worth asking the drupal list. Also be worth  
checkin in about how they are doing features. Kameron is also worth  
asking as he has been doing most of the work on the syd site I think.
>
> I'm contemplating using workflows, but if there are other ideas, i'd
> be interested.

drupaldev list again or the drupal site itself, I think we are  
pushing a tad into uncharted (or at least not well mapped) territory  
here. It must be possible, it's just a matter of finding the people  
who know.

catcha
and.

>
> ciao
>
> vik
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From askvictor at gmail.com  Wed Aug  9 10:16:21 2006
From: askvictor at gmail.com (victor rajewski)
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 20:16:21 +1000
Subject: [Imc-melbourne-geeks] drupal status
In-Reply-To: <8f8b28f10608090252x32ee8485r48009d485d6de65e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20060808131446.34292.qmail@web60512.mail.yahoo.com>
	<BEE2BB3B-0D6A-430D-BEF3-8CDAC5BCACF6@axxs.org>
	<8f8b28f10608090033n735d7752v1e0b33fae09ad4f9@mail.gmail.com>
	<FBAD00E8-84EE-452C-96EE-DAD2AC471668@axxs.org>
	<8f8b28f10608090252x32ee8485r48009d485d6de65e@mail.gmail.com>
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Before playing with permissions and workflows, we need to sort out
user roles. And_ and I discussed this a bit, and here is a proposal:
1) Superuser - can do everything. For site technicians
2) Content Admin - administers content. No access to system admin areas
3) Trusted users - posts go straight to normal newswire. Can promote
'low priority' stories. ???Can make features???
4) Logged in users - posts go straight to the normal newswire
5) Anonymous users - posts go onto a special 'low priority' newswire,
and can be promoted to normal newswire

Possibly we want something between Admin and trusted, like an Editorial level.

What youse reckon?


From harrytuttle123 at yahoo.com  Wed Aug  9 13:14:29 2006
From: harrytuttle123 at yahoo.com (harry tuttle)
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 06:14:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Imc-melbourne-geeks] drupal status
In-Reply-To: <8f8b28f10608090316l283e7e13td0dd23b737ef66ee@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20060809131429.49822.qmail@web60513.mail.yahoo.com>

this sounds good. Not sure about the trusted users
being able to make features. Think this should be only
for the collective. 

The other question is whether it is possible to make
the log in process ie creating an account enough work
that it discourages people creating multiple log ins
to post direct to the wire? If it is a slightly more
difficult process, then I think people may invest
something in maintaining their log in as opposed to
creating a new log in every time their log in gets
booted. I hope this makes sense. For example could it
be that people need to log in a new account 3 times
before they are recognized as a logged in user? 

Anyway, as I said yesterday 'beggars cant be choosers'
but if this is an easy add on, then it may be
worthwhile.
Harry



--- victor rajewski <askvictor at gmail.com> wrote:

> Before playing with permissions and workflows, we
> need to sort out
> user roles. And_ and I discussed this a bit, and
> here is a proposal:
> 1) Superuser - can do everything. For site
> technicians
> 2) Content Admin - administers content. No access to
> system admin areas
> 3) Trusted users - posts go straight to normal
> newswire. Can promote
> 'low priority' stories. ???Can make features???
> 4) Logged in users - posts go straight to the normal
> newswire
> 5) Anonymous users - posts go onto a special 'low
> priority' newswire,
> and can be promoted to normal newswire
> 
> Possibly we want something between Admin and
> trusted, like an Editorial level.
> 
> What youse reckon?
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> Imc-melbourne-geeks at lists.cat.org.au
>
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From and at axxs.org  Thu Aug 10 01:08:29 2006
From: and at axxs.org (and)
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 11:08:29 +1000
Subject: [Imc-melbourne-geeks] drupal status
In-Reply-To: <20060809131429.49822.qmail@web60513.mail.yahoo.com>
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On 09/08/2006, at 11:14 PM, harry tuttle wrote:

> this sounds good. Not sure about the trusted users
> being able to make features. Think this should be only
> for the collective.

yes.

>
> The other question is whether it is possible to make
> the log in process ie creating an account enough work
> that it discourages people creating multiple log ins
> to post direct to the wire? If it is a slightly more
> difficult process, then I think people may invest
> something in maintaining their log in as opposed to
> creating a new log in every time their log in gets
> booted. I hope this makes sense. For example could it
> be that people need to log in a new account 3 times
> before they are recognized as a logged in user?

Firstly I think you want to make the login process as easy as  
possible, we shouldn't automatically think defensively when it comes  
to participation. The reason you want to maintain your login is to  
develop reputation and also because if you have a good reputation and  
are trusted it means you can publish to the more visible wire. I  
think this is reward enough. Automatically being logged in wouldn't  
allow you to post to the top wire, you'd need to be approved still.  
That way we also get to spend time rewarding people rather than  
punishing them for posting crap.
>
> Anyway, as I said yesterday 'beggars cant be choosers'
> but if this is an easy add on, then it may be
> worthwhile.

I think what you are proposing is actually getting quite complicated,  
I think at this stage we'd be better off to keep things as simple as  
possible given how long it has so far taken us, and then add further  
improvements as we go along.

> Harry
>
>
>
> --- victor rajewski <askvictor at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Before playing with permissions and workflows, we
>> need to sort out
>> user roles. And_ and I discussed this a bit, and
>> here is a proposal:
>> 1) Superuser - can do everything. For site
>> technicians
>> 2) Content Admin - administers content. No access to
>> system admin areas
>> 3) Trusted users - posts go straight to normal
>> newswire. Can promote
>> 'low priority' stories. ???Can make features???
>> 4) Logged in users - posts go straight to the normal
>> newswire
>> 5) Anonymous users - posts go onto a special 'low
>> priority' newswire,
>> and can be promoted to normal newswire
>>
>> Possibly we want something between Admin and
>> trusted, like an Editorial level.
>>
>> What youse reckon?
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>>
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From and at axxs.org  Thu Aug 10 01:12:33 2006
From: and at axxs.org (and)
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 11:12:33 +1000
Subject: [Imc-melbourne-geeks] drupal status
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On 09/08/2006, at 8:16 PM, victor rajewski wrote:

> Before playing with permissions and workflows, we need to sort out
> user roles. And_ and I discussed this a bit, and here is a proposal:
> 1) Superuser - can do everything. For site technicians
> 2) Content Admin - administers content. No access to system admin  
> areas
> 3) Trusted users - posts go straight to normal newswire. Can promote
> 'low priority' stories. ???Can make features???

I think multiple users (not just one, 5-10 say) could promote low  
priority stories, but that starts to get complicated. You could have  
another level of "really trusted users" though who aren't collective  
members who could do this. Def. no features publishing. Might be  
worth looking into creating a custom feature module actually rather  
than just using the promote field if it wasn't difficult.

> 4) Logged in users - posts go straight to the normal newswire

logged in would also go to the low priority I think otherwise there  
is no reward for building a reputation as you can do anything a  
trusted user can.

> 5) Anonymous users - posts go onto a special 'low priority' newswire,
> and can be promoted to normal newswire
>
> Possibly we want something between Admin and trusted, like an  
> Editorial level.

I was imagining content admin as the editorial level.

>
> What youse reckon?
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From askvictor at gmail.com  Thu Aug 10 01:58:01 2006
From: askvictor at gmail.com (victor rajewski)
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 11:58:01 +1000
Subject: [Imc-melbourne-geeks] drupal status
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Why would we need a seperate feature module?

> > 5) Anonymous users - posts go onto a special 'low priority' newswire,
> > and can be promoted to normal newswire
> >
> > Possibly we want something between Admin and trusted, like an
> > Editorial level.
>
> I was imagining content admin as the editorial level.

Yeah - I think we were converging the same notion of a 'really
trusted' user, just with different names.

I'm playing with a few ways of implementing this. 'low priority' posts
could maybe just be in the moderation queue, with trusted users and
above having the power to moderate.

As for hidden posts, I'm thinking of just removing the 'published'
flag, and doing some sort of hack job to make unpublished stories
visible.

The Views module seems to do a lot of nice things regarding showing
the newswire etc.

vik


From and at axxs.org  Thu Aug 10 02:22:34 2006
From: and at axxs.org (and)
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 12:22:34 +1000
Subject: [Imc-melbourne-geeks] drupal status
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On 10/08/2006, at 11:58 AM, victor rajewski wrote:

> Why would we need a seperate feature module?

Because the feilds aren't the same, currently they are different. be  
good to find out what others are doing here, someone might already  
have a module.

>
>> > 5) Anonymous users - posts go onto a special 'low priority'  
>> newswire,
>> > and can be promoted to normal newswire
>> >
>> > Possibly we want something between Admin and trusted, like an
>> > Editorial level.
>>
>> I was imagining content admin as the editorial level.
>
> Yeah - I think we were converging the same notion of a 'really
> trusted' user, just with different names.

yes.

>
> I'm playing with a few ways of implementing this. 'low priority' posts
> could maybe just be in the moderation queue, with trusted users and
> above having the power to moderate.

yes but collectively, ie I wouldn't be allowing a just one trusted  
user to move posts as I am imagining these people being average,  
regular non abusive users of indymedia but not necessarily people you  
want to hand over moderation power to, i'd prefer to create an  
additional level for that rather than give that power to a basic  
trusted user.
>
> As for hidden posts, I'm thinking of just removing the 'published'
> flag, and doing some sort of hack job to make unpublished stories
> visible.

That might be how sydney does it, again check with kameron.
>
> The Views module seems to do a lot of nice things regarding showing
> the newswire etc.

cool.
and.

>
> vik
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From askvictor at gmail.com  Thu Aug 10 05:37:03 2006
From: askvictor at gmail.com (victor rajewski)
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 15:37:03 +1000
Subject: [Imc-melbourne-geeks] drupal status
In-Reply-To: <E149B0EB-4523-44D4-BB3D-A2D63DD467B9@axxs.org>
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More thoughts...

After a chat with andy, I've been pondering the following:
Instead of playing with hidden posts and different newswires for high
priority stories and anonymously submitted ones, I'm thinking of a
change of tactic: Use a voting system for all of this. There are a
number of different voting modules out there, which I haven't tried
really, but it would make the whole system cleaner, and more
democratic (I think). So each story/comment has a score, anon and
non-trusted users post at score 0, trusted users at 1, and so on.
Hidden comments would go negative. Logged in users (or just trusted
users?) can vote these up or down. Editors (or high-privelege users)
could have more clout by having a multiplier on their score or
something like that. The default newswire view would show posts with
score X or above. Users could set their own thresholds.

Even if that doesn't work democratically (and I reckon we should give
it a try) the same framework could be used with only high-privilege
users being able to vote.

Another problem we've forgotten about (that may or may not be a big
deal) is the lack of image/media support for comments.

As for a feature module - wouldn't that just be a different node type
(using flexinode, or whatever it has been superseeded by) with more
fields?


From and at axxs.org  Thu Aug 10 10:55:22 2006
From: and at axxs.org (and)
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 20:55:22 +1000
Subject: [Imc-melbourne-geeks] drupal status
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On 10/08/2006, at 3:37 PM, victor rajewski wrote:

> More thoughts...
>
> After a chat with andy, I've been pondering the following:
> Instead of playing with hidden posts and different newswires for high
> priority stories and anonymously submitted ones, I'm thinking of a
> change of tactic: Use a voting system for all of this. There are a
> number of different voting modules out there, which I haven't tried
> really, but it would make the whole system cleaner, and more
> democratic (I think). So each story/comment has a score, anon and
> non-trusted users post at score 0, trusted users at 1, and so on.
> Hidden comments would go negative. Logged in users (or just trusted
> users?) can vote these up or down. Editors (or high-privelege users)
> could have more clout by having a multiplier on their score or
> something like that. The default newswire view would show posts with
> score X or above. Users could set their own thresholds.

yep. sounds more logical to me and from what I remember this capacity  
exists within drupal.

>
> Even if that doesn't work democratically (and I reckon we should give
> it a try) the same framework could be used with only high-privilege
> users being able to vote.

yep

>
> Another problem we've forgotten about (that may or may not be a big
> deal) is the lack of image/media support for comments.

mmm.. yes, maybe ask in freenode about that as to whether it exists.

>
> As for a feature module - wouldn't that just be a different node type
> (using flexinode, or whatever it has been superseeded by) with more
> fields?

different fields, but yes it would be a custom node type.
and.

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From harrytuttle123 at yahoo.com  Thu Aug 10 13:13:48 2006
From: harrytuttle123 at yahoo.com (harry tuttle)
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 06:13:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Imc-melbourne-geeks] drupal status
In-Reply-To: <53044E5F-5332-437D-A5DD-9EC5D27F7BBC@axxs.org>
Message-ID: <20060810131348.52402.qmail@web60514.mail.yahoo.com>

hmmm, well I guess we will see how it goes. I guess I
am raising issues that there may be a simple fix to.
If not, best leave it at this stage. Another feature I
have noticed which may be good for the future is a
'alert a moderator' tab on some sites so that we can
be alerted to stuff to pull. Would make it easier than
relying on sending an email to MIM.

anyways I feel excited and revitalised by this stuff.
Great stuff Victor



--- and <and at axxs.org> wrote:

> 
> On 09/08/2006, at 11:14 PM, harry tuttle wrote:
> 
> > this sounds good. Not sure about the trusted users
> > being able to make features. Think this should be
> only
> > for the collective.
> 
> yes.
> 
> >
> > The other question is whether it is possible to
> make
> > the log in process ie creating an account enough
> work
> > that it discourages people creating multiple log
> ins
> > to post direct to the wire? If it is a slightly
> more
> > difficult process, then I think people may invest
> > something in maintaining their log in as opposed
> to
> > creating a new log in every time their log in gets
> > booted. I hope this makes sense. For example could
> it
> > be that people need to log in a new account 3
> times
> > before they are recognized as a logged in user?
> 
> Firstly I think you want to make the login process
> as easy as  
> possible, we shouldn't automatically think
> defensively when it comes  
> to participation. The reason you want to maintain
> your login is to  
> develop reputation and also because if you have a
> good reputation and  
> are trusted it means you can publish to the more
> visible wire. I  
> think this is reward enough. Automatically being
> logged in wouldn't  
> allow you to post to the top wire, you'd need to be
> approved still.  
> That way we also get to spend time rewarding people
> rather than  
> punishing them for posting crap.
> >
> > Anyway, as I said yesterday 'beggars cant be
> choosers'
> > but if this is an easy add on, then it may be
> > worthwhile.
> 
> I think what you are proposing is actually getting
> quite complicated,  
> I think at this stage we'd be better off to keep
> things as simple as  
> possible given how long it has so far taken us, and
> then add further  
> improvements as we go along.
> 
> > Harry
> >
> >
> >
> > --- victor rajewski <askvictor at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Before playing with permissions and workflows, we
> >> need to sort out
> >> user roles. And_ and I discussed this a bit, and
> >> here is a proposal:
> >> 1) Superuser - can do everything. For site
> >> technicians
> >> 2) Content Admin - administers content. No access
> to
> >> system admin areas
> >> 3) Trusted users - posts go straight to normal
> >> newswire. Can promote
> >> 'low priority' stories. ???Can make features???
> >> 4) Logged in users - posts go straight to the
> normal
> >> newswire
> >> 5) Anonymous users - posts go onto a special 'low
> >> priority' newswire,
> >> and can be promoted to normal newswire
> >>
> >> Possibly we want something between Admin and
> >> trusted, like an Editorial level.
> >>
> >> What youse reckon?
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